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economy on government. >> okay. >> we're now spending the 42% of our economy on government. i don't want to go down the path to spain. i want to go down the path of growth that puts americans to work with more money coming in because they're working. >> yeah, but, mr. president, you're saying in order to get it -- get the job done, it's got to be balanced? >> if we're serious, we've got to take a balanced, responsible approach. and by the way, this is not just when it comes to individual taxes. let's talk about corporate taxes. now, i've identified areas where we can, right away, make a change that i believe would actually help the economy. the oil industry gets $4 billion a year in corporate welfare. basically, they get deductions that those small businesses that governor romney refers to, they don't get. now, does anybody think that exxonmobil needs some extra money, when they're making money every time you go to the pump? why wouldn't we want to eliminate that? why wouldn't we eliminate tax breaks for co
economy on government. >> okay. >> we're now spending the 42% of our economy on government. i don't want to go down the path to spain. i want to go down the path of growth that puts americans to work with more money coming in because they're working. >> yeah, but, mr. president, you're saying in order to get it -- get the job done, it's got to be balanced? >> if we're serious, we've got to take a balanced, responsible approach. and by the way, this is not just when it...
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you should not raise taxes when the economy is in trouble. our economy is in more trouble today. the growth rate last week was a pathetic at 1. 2%. >> very much for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> we finally get to the issue that rich people need the money because they create the jobs. i want to bring in ed and al and steve and chris back into this discussion. i want to bring back chris matthews in denver in terms of hearing the republican spin on this. seeing what seems to be real democratic frustration on this. we're hearing already in terms of the different responses. the romney side is proclaiming victory. the obama campaign does not seem to be doing that. chris? >> when you read "the new york times" tomorrow, you'll see a side bar, strong night for romney. i think it's an objective -- it may be theater, but this is a major campaign event of the entire cycle. maybe the major campaign event treated as a lesson in information or education. it was a campaign event and both sides went at it to win and one side won. i go back to a couple of points. romney was able to get away
you should not raise taxes when the economy is in trouble. our economy is in more trouble today. the growth rate last week was a pathetic at 1. 2%. >> very much for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> we finally get to the issue that rich people need the money because they create the jobs. i want to bring in ed and al and steve and chris back into this discussion. i want to bring back chris matthews in denver in terms of hearing the republican spin on this. seeing what seems...
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that basically make his case for what he's doing with the economy. sure he says nice things about teachers and some other stuff. infrastructure in a vague way but there was no boom, boom, boom. romney had that five-point plan to start with. it was effective. and then another five points. >> the preparation wasn't good enough. it wasn't that they didn't practice enough they didn't have a strategy for the debate. >> and they needed to execute -- >> all three of you one at a time. what do you think romney went in there to do tonight? what was his plan? >> his plan was to seem more moderate. to seem more specific. remember, he knew he'd be under attack for not being specific enough. and be being kind of wonky, he kind of blunted that attack of the president. and he also needed to seem confident and presidential and he achieved that. obama did not achieve his objectives. >> what was romney's plan. >> i saw a human side. for the first time i saw a human side. he came out of the gate, i knew this woman. this is her story. we haven't seen this. >> for a guy
that basically make his case for what he's doing with the economy. sure he says nice things about teachers and some other stuff. infrastructure in a vague way but there was no boom, boom, boom. romney had that five-point plan to start with. it was effective. and then another five points. >> the preparation wasn't good enough. it wasn't that they didn't practice enough they didn't have a strategy for the debate. >> and they needed to execute -- >> all three of you one at a...
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things that was very clear last night is these candidates differ in the approach of how to make the economy grow and expand for the middle class. and he subscribed to the theory that greater tax cuts will subscribe for greater deficits. so i thought that was a clear contrast. i thought medicare was a clear contrast. we have two more rounds to go in the debate. >> on social security there were a lot more liberal watchers and supporters of the president. very upset with how he threw it out there saying we have to do something about it. that's not mainstream opinion in the democratic party. >> i believe he says we have to tweak it from time to time. indeed we do as population bubbles come and go. i think they're overreacting a little bit. let's be honest here. a lot of people in the democratic party base really wanted to see the president go out and poke him in the eye and tear off his face. >> i think they want to hear the number 47%. why didn't we hear that? >> i think that the 47% -- look, i'm not part of the debate strategy. but for the last several weeks everybody is asking how the heck c
things that was very clear last night is these candidates differ in the approach of how to make the economy grow and expand for the middle class. and he subscribed to the theory that greater tax cuts will subscribe for greater deficits. so i thought that was a clear contrast. i thought medicare was a clear contrast. we have two more rounds to go in the debate. >> on social security there were a lot more liberal watchers and supporters of the president. very upset with how he threw it out...
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what they should have been doing all along is running against president obama's record on the economy. that's what they should have down. the latest "washington post" poll shows for the first time, mitt romney is slightly better regarded on the question of who will do better leading the economy over the next four years than the president? that's through no good offices of mitt romney on his own. that's in spite of what mitt romney has done. >> howard, we have heard so much about the disgruntled folks within the romney/ryan camp. the way it's unfolding in the polls is not good. there's a report that says that romney is beginning to lose donors who were shifting their money to house and senate races. what's going on here? is this starting to take it its toll on the campaign? >> yes. in many ways what mitt romney's challenge is on wednesday night is to stop the bleeding within his own party and within his own camp. absolutely. behind the scenes, republicans are very worried. some are saying so publically. if mitt romney doesn't reassure them within the first half hour of the debate, they
what they should have been doing all along is running against president obama's record on the economy. that's what they should have down. the latest "washington post" poll shows for the first time, mitt romney is slightly better regarded on the question of who will do better leading the economy over the next four years than the president? that's through no good offices of mitt romney on his own. that's in spite of what mitt romney has done. >> howard, we have heard so much about...
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but they will come at him on the economy. what is the response going to be? >> well look, i think the president -- the response obviously is two fold. let's talk about where we've come from, losing 800,000 jobs a month to 30 plus months of positive private sector job growth, added 5 million jobs, you know, since we hit the bottom and -- but i think what's most important and voters want to hear is what you going to do as president going forward and i think the president will be anxious to talk about bringing manufacturing jobs back from overseas and putting americans back to work, improving our educational system, recruiting and training math and science teachers to get our children prepared for those important jobs. >> those are goals. those are goals and mitt romney has goals. but when are -- >> no, no andrea -- >> specific. >> it is not a goal to end tax breaks for companies that move jobs overseas and incentivize them to come back and create a million jobs in manufacturingp. we've seen the greatest increase in manufacturing jobs in more than 20 years under
but they will come at him on the economy. what is the response going to be? >> well look, i think the president -- the response obviously is two fold. let's talk about where we've come from, losing 800,000 jobs a month to 30 plus months of positive private sector job growth, added 5 million jobs, you know, since we hit the bottom and -- but i think what's most important and voters want to hear is what you going to do as president going forward and i think the president will be anxious to...
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the economy is job one. we need to make sure we re-elect president obama, so we can build off the economic process we have started to see as we've turned this economy around. we need to move that forward, not go back to the policies that mitt romney is advocating that would actually hurt the economy and hurt middle class taxpayers. and there's a number of other things that we're going to be working on. we're going to continue to work on immigration reform. the president's taken some steps in the last few months. even with congress opposing him, that have allowed us to make some changes on how we handle immigration. we're going to work on that aggressively, look for partners from both sides of the aisle that are serious on making progress on these issues. but we'll continue to build off those successes in a second term. >> i'm sure you've seen this, the spoof from "saturday night live's" thursday edition this week about the high unemployment numbers. in case you didn't, take a look, take a listen. >> but thin
the economy is job one. we need to make sure we re-elect president obama, so we can build off the economic process we have started to see as we've turned this economy around. we need to move that forward, not go back to the policies that mitt romney is advocating that would actually hurt the economy and hurt middle class taxpayers. and there's a number of other things that we're going to be working on. we're going to continue to work on immigration reform. the president's taken some steps in...
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the economy, the whole system on twas vergef collapse thstocmarket was dow 6,000s. d ama made two decisions. one was to prop the thinup and keep it go alliance with other countries around the world and literally saved the fortunes but he made a second decision. there were progrves who t we sh more questions abo hget into th ple and president obama didn't gore because his advisers we worried if you push the system too hard, it might collap. d so here are folks whose founes were saved in significant part by the s polic are complaing because he you to. very strange. >> these guys got exactly wh th.need leadershiot criticism. until th scenario chans, i think the unit states is, quote, unquote, and i hate to use this word, in a malaise. >> what the hell is talking about? he's being criticized and president obama hasn't provided leadership. your thougs on this. of in that piece, she tes th 93 gains in the recovery of 210, % we009/20 to the top 1%. isn't that encragement enough? and what about encouragement to they couldt e a little buing up? itery weird to hav ri people f
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than the rest by this softer economy. and so i would do what governor romney has been doing and that is continue to address the base issues. this is an election that has to look at how well we have done over the last four years. president obama was elected with this hope and this vision for change. and we have seen change actually for the worst. i think it is very fair to look at his record and say here is what he said four years ago and here is what he hasn't accomplished. so obviously a lot of tonight is going to be about president obama's record, just since four years ago president obama was looking back at the record of those he wanted to replace. >>ormer republican governor out here. thanks for coming on this. >>> the monthly private payrolls report is out today. markets are just opening. let's get to the market run down. becky quick is here on the other side of the camera. >> i like this. >> private payroll, adp. mid 100s. does it tell us anything? >> 162 is better than the street has been expecting. adp does payrol
than the rest by this softer economy. and so i would do what governor romney has been doing and that is continue to address the base issues. this is an election that has to look at how well we have done over the last four years. president obama was elected with this hope and this vision for change. and we have seen change actually for the worst. i think it is very fair to look at his record and say here is what he said four years ago and here is what he hasn't accomplished. so obviously a lot...
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what they should have been doing all along is running against president obama's record on the economy. that's what they should have down. the latest "washington post" poll shows for the tim fst mitly br ga quest bette l rn3n camp.done.wa, s noff the way it's unfolding in the polls is not good. there's a report that says that omney iseginning to lose mone going on here is this starting to take it its toll on the campaign? >> yes. in many ways what mitt romney's challenge is on wednesday night is to stop the bleeding within his own party and within his own camp. you're seeing already, a t who arelessedh their own pacs money ar goingn te democratsti republics have faint hopesf le are look at any place to protect themselves from what, at this minute, looks like a fairly comfortable win for president obama. that could change. it could still change. i have to stress. but there's nothing in the romney strategy so far that indicates they know how to turn it around. >> all right. howard fineman, thanks for your time tonight. good to have you here in denver. remember to answer tonight's questi
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watch out mini cooper, "the wall street journal" reports nissan is bringing back the datsun in emerging economies. the bare bones version will go for as low as 3,000 bucks for a whole car. that sounds nice. >>> what do you think of this? rome is cracking down on snacking. there's a new law banning eating near the city's historical sites and it carries a fine of up to $650. i would not do well there. >>> coming up, triple crown cabara. >>> and man u. on a roll. >>> and one yankee plays hero twice in one night. ah. fire bad! just have to fire roast these tomatoes. this is going to give you a head start on your dinner. that seems easier [ female announcer ] new progresso recipe starters. five delicious cooking sauces you combine with fresh ingredients to make amazing home-cooked meals. alka-seltzer plus cold & cough may cause marked drowsiness. try dayquil cold & flu for non-drowsy relief of these symptoms. so you can save the day, not worry about falling asleep. >>> the magic number for the new york yank siz with one. raul ibanez came in clutch last night twice. down 3-1. ibanez tied it with a pinc
watch out mini cooper, "the wall street journal" reports nissan is bringing back the datsun in emerging economies. the bare bones version will go for as low as 3,000 bucks for a whole car. that sounds nice. >>> what do you think of this? rome is cracking down on snacking. there's a new law banning eating near the city's historical sites and it carries a fine of up to $650. i would not do well there. >>> coming up, triple crown cabara. >>> and man u. on a...
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>> i'm sorry. >> he had a cat strask economy. did an enormous amount to rescue it from getting worse and worse and worse. >> i don't know. it's going to have to be fixed. >> all right. we'll be right back. brian shactman is next. "morning joe" returns in a moment. [ female announcer ] ready for a taste of what's hot? check out the latest collection of snacks from lean cuisine. creamy spinach artichoke dip, crispy garlic chicken spring rolls. they're this season's must-have accessory. lean cuisine. be culinary chic. [ male announcer ] it started long ago. the joy of giving something everything you've got. it takes passion. and it's not letting up anytime soon. at unitedhealthcare insurance company, we understand that commitment. and always have. so does aarp, an organization serving the needs of americans 50 and over for generations. so it's no surprise millions have chosen an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement plans, they help cover som
>> i'm sorry. >> he had a cat strask economy. did an enormous amount to rescue it from getting worse and worse and worse. >> i don't know. it's going to have to be fixed. >> all right. we'll be right back. brian shactman is next. "morning joe" returns in a moment. [ female announcer ] ready for a taste of what's hot? check out the latest collection of snacks from lean cuisine. creamy spinach artichoke dip, crispy garlic chicken spring rolls. they're this...
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the economy looks better than romney does. that's the problem he faces. >> one of his biggest challenges tonight is to stand on that stage and convince people watching, something north of 60 million people will tune in, that he understands the lives and problems of average americans, ordinary americans, the people struggling to put food on the table. >> that would be a fraud, though, doesn't he? we've been watching this guy for weeks and months and months and years now, running for president. there's been no evidence he gets it. >> you know, that's my conclusion, but i think if he's going to truly reset this -- even to get a second look, i think he needs to be able to connect on a level that he hasn't done. >> that's what people say -- >> he's not occasionally -- >> i gave this guy a second look. >> i think if he has a strong performance, if he does talk about economy and big ideas and is able to show himself as a humane person -- >> but you say this -- >> anything with a -- >> you're a skeptic. >> i am. i think he will win on
the economy looks better than romney does. that's the problem he faces. >> one of his biggest challenges tonight is to stand on that stage and convince people watching, something north of 60 million people will tune in, that he understands the lives and problems of average americans, ordinary americans, the people struggling to put food on the table. >> that would be a fraud, though, doesn't he? we've been watching this guy for weeks and months and months and years now, running for...
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the heart of romney's argument against obama is obama hasn't helped the economy. ohio is a state it is doing better than the national of a range the auto bailout has a practical effect on people's lives, know people working in auto plant, suppliers of auto plant and the natural gas boom, a little beneath the radar has helped the unemployment rate in ohio. that is has resulted in obama dog better nationally better than nationalism people talking about the possibility romney could pull out of ohio and still win. i think that's very difficult to envision. if romney loses ohio, in particular if ohio is long gone, obama is going to win you can the votes aren't there else where to make up for the loss of those 18 electoral votes. >> nate, i want to talk about you, talk about you for a second? >> if you really want. >> you are the political blogging star of 2012. you are the hot new guy that all the smart kids want to read and talk about and listen to. how does that feel to be the cool new guy on the block? >> you know, i don't think i'm that cool, actually. for one, i'm
the heart of romney's argument against obama is obama hasn't helped the economy. ohio is a state it is doing better than the national of a range the auto bailout has a practical effect on people's lives, know people working in auto plant, suppliers of auto plant and the natural gas boom, a little beneath the radar has helped the unemployment rate in ohio. that is has resulted in obama dog better nationally better than nationalism people talking about the possibility romney could pull out of...
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thought. 57% of the people think that the economy is getting better. what a dramatic advantage. >> well, i agree with steve. this is mitt's moment. he said months ago to supporters just wait until i get on the stage with the president. just wait until i get to confront him, when i get to explain my version of reality versus his. that's when i'm going to shine. and he has to do it tonight. i agree with you and steve, that he has to be specific. he has to be detailed. partly because people haven't warmed to mitt romney as a person. they don't really trust him yet as a person. all the more important that he set out a specific plan, that makes sense. and that he does it in a humane way. i agree with steve. he has to be -- it's okay if he's serious but he has to make it clear that he wants the job. he wants to be hired by the american people for this job because he wants to help all of the american people. >> here's the problem -- >> and not just the rich people that he grew up with. >> howard, you hit on the problem. he's got a surrogate, bill clinton, a f
thought. 57% of the people think that the economy is getting better. what a dramatic advantage. >> well, i agree with steve. this is mitt's moment. he said months ago to supporters just wait until i get on the stage with the president. just wait until i get to confront him, when i get to explain my version of reality versus his. that's when i'm going to shine. and he has to do it tonight. i agree with you and steve, that he has to be specific. he has to be detailed. partly because people...
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and that was about the economy. and that's what people were feeling and hurting. >> when we talk about the fact you were the last female journalist to have access to a presidential debate like this and would you remind everybody that gwen eiffel moderated the '04 debate, an honor, but not a game changer, but you did write a piece -- we have candy crowley, who has the duties for one of these debates. you say don't forget, you will be treated differently because you are a woman. how is it different for women or minority moderators, when it comes to those tough questions on a woman's right to choose. is there an extra cautious line women need to take in asking that? >> she's not going to have the chance. that's what i'm upset about. candy is going to have the same format that i had, which is the town hall format. that's questions from the audience. questions from the voters. it's not questions from the moderator. she will hold the microphone for the other people the way i did. and she won't get to ask her own questions
and that was about the economy. and that's what people were feeling and hurting. >> when we talk about the fact you were the last female journalist to have access to a presidential debate like this and would you remind everybody that gwen eiffel moderated the '04 debate, an honor, but not a game changer, but you did write a piece -- we have candy crowley, who has the duties for one of these debates. you say don't forget, you will be treated differently because you are a woman. how is it...
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kevson very smart, keeping it focused on jobs and the economy and the romney campaign. and i think the only a ha is going to matter today about 9:01 when the debate starts and these two guys are on the same stage together. i think we are not going to be talking about videos or gotcha videos or anything else tomorrow or tonight or tomorrow, it is going to be about the debate it is going to be reset about 9:01 tonight. >> i don't know if that is necessarily true. we may not be talking about a ha moments but chip don't you think we are going to talk about that 47% will not come up in the debate tonight? >> i think it will come up very early in the debate. mitt romney has got to -- i think he will define the debate in this answer, whether he is going to be defensive about it or whether he is going to got offense about it. i think that will probably define the whole debate, because it is going to be about the economy tonight. >> these tapes do matter, at least one tape will matter, and that being the one at the private fund-raiser? >> tamron, what i'm talking about everybody
kevson very smart, keeping it focused on jobs and the economy and the romney campaign. and i think the only a ha is going to matter today about 9:01 when the debate starts and these two guys are on the same stage together. i think we are not going to be talking about videos or gotcha videos or anything else tomorrow or tonight or tomorrow, it is going to be about the debate it is going to be reset about 9:01 tonight. >> i don't know if that is necessarily true. we may not be talking about...
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as somebody who projects an air of authority, especially when he talks about the economy. that is the private sector track record. the flip side, the weakness is the 47%. some of the attacks he's taken in terms of that business record. i think mitt romney's biggest problem though, chris, is the sense people can't be sure exactly if he believes what he's saying. he needs to project authentic passion for what he believes his plan would do for the american economy to make the 47% lives better as well as the other 53. >> what do you think, e.j.? >> i thought the definitive line on politics, what you need is sincerity, if you can fake that, you can do anything. it's troublesome on this question of authenticate. what is authenticity? romney has taken a number of positions on issues which you will be sure obama will try to sneak in there somehow. he can be ferocious and disciplined. go back to that newt gingrich debate in florida where he dispatched newt gingrich. he can be very good. i think he can have real highs, but also can have lows and say the darnedest things sometimes. >
as somebody who projects an air of authority, especially when he talks about the economy. that is the private sector track record. the flip side, the weakness is the 47%. some of the attacks he's taken in terms of that business record. i think mitt romney's biggest problem though, chris, is the sense people can't be sure exactly if he believes what he's saying. he needs to project authentic passion for what he believes his plan would do for the american economy to make the 47% lives better as...
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the economy, the whole system was on the verge of collapse. the stock market was down in the 6,000s. and obama made two decisions. one was to prop the thing up and keep it going in alliance with other countries around the world and literally saved the fortunes of a lot of these people. but he made a second decision. there were progressives who thought we should have asked more questions about how did we get into this mess in the first place and president obama didn't go there because his advisers were worried if you push the system too hard, it might collapse. and so here are folks whose fortunes were saved in significant part by the president's policies and they are complaining because he doesn't say thank you to them. it's very strange. >> these guys got exactly what they wanted and just won't admit it. let's play more sound from sam zell. >> we need leadership, not criticism. until that scenario changes, i think the united states is, quote, unquote, and i hate to use this word, in a malaise. >> what the hell is he talking about? he's being
the economy, the whole system was on the verge of collapse. the stock market was down in the 6,000s. and obama made two decisions. one was to prop the thing up and keep it going in alliance with other countries around the world and literally saved the fortunes of a lot of these people. but he made a second decision. there were progressives who thought we should have asked more questions about how did we get into this mess in the first place and president obama didn't go there because his...
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naets hi that's high based on where the economy is. in some ways the debate brings the polls more into line with the fundamentals, which we think implies a tenuous advantage for obama. >> so, nate, if you could get into that a little bit more, this race has been remarkably stable. the president has been ahead narrowly for most of the campaign. almost everyone is saying governor romney had the better night last night. what do you expect to happen to the polls coming out of this? >> i could see romney getting a 2, 2 1/2, 3-point swing toward him. there was one pull-out this afternoon after the debate that had a two-point swing. since obama was up by four or five, which will bring us back to two or three points. that is where gravity is in this election, is about a two and a half point win for president obama. that's what bush got in 2004. so many analogies between this election and that one eight years ago. we'll see. i think this will not win the election for romney by itself, but it puts him in a position where he could set himself up
naets hi that's high based on where the economy is. in some ways the debate brings the polls more into line with the fundamentals, which we think implies a tenuous advantage for obama. >> so, nate, if you could get into that a little bit more, this race has been remarkably stable. the president has been ahead narrowly for most of the campaign. almost everyone is saying governor romney had the better night last night. what do you expect to happen to the polls coming out of this? >> i...
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put it in "the new york times," quote, the governor's done great job of convincing people that the economy's bad. he's got do a better job of making case that president obama's directly responsible for that. that's got to be his focus. if it becomes about anything else, then i think the governor's at a disadvantage. expect romney to go on offense, he has to. as someone in the campaign, perhaps unhelpfully leaked to "the new york times," quote, romney's team has conclude thad debates are about creating moments and it's equipped him with a series of zingers that he has memorized and has been practicing on aides since august. well, so much for keeping expectations low, right? romney also has to prove he can be 'depressive without allowing the president to get under his skin. he joked about how portman has been supporting him. >> he plays barack obama. we get a chance to debate one another. after an hour and a half or so is over, i want to kick him out of the room. >> another debate goal is his policies aren't just rehashed bush material. those are things he failed to live up to. while the campa
put it in "the new york times," quote, the governor's done great job of convincing people that the economy's bad. he's got do a better job of making case that president obama's directly responsible for that. that's got to be his focus. if it becomes about anything else, then i think the governor's at a disadvantage. expect romney to go on offense, he has to. as someone in the campaign, perhaps unhelpfully leaked to "the new york times," quote, romney's team has conclude thad...
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between 1950 and 1970, the economy grew at a rate of 3.9%. and this, when the average top marginal tax rate was 84.9%. now, compare this with the period from 1987 to the year 2010, when the average tax rate was just 36.4%. the economy grew at a far less robust rate of just 2.9%. we keep being told that mr. romney's been rehearsing his zingers. but let's hope that he's not going to use that line from president clinton, it's the economy, stupid, because the easiest response to that is, we know who's stupid when it comes to the economy. thanks so much for watching. thank you to the university of denver for hosting us. and to all of you watching at home. my colleague, chris mathews is also here in denver. he picks things up with "hardball." two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. and every day since, we've worked hard to keep it. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help people and businesses who were affected, and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open for everyone to enjoy -- and many are
between 1950 and 1970, the economy grew at a rate of 3.9%. and this, when the average top marginal tax rate was 84.9%. now, compare this with the period from 1987 to the year 2010, when the average tax rate was just 36.4%. the economy grew at a far less robust rate of just 2.9%. we keep being told that mr. romney's been rehearsing his zingers. but let's hope that he's not going to use that line from president clinton, it's the economy, stupid, because the easiest response to that is, we know...
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just think if president obama had inherited bill clinton's economy, a surplus. that wasn't the case. so i think the president needs to remind america where we were and where we have been and the accomplishments that we've made. as far as mitt romney is concerned, romney can go after president obama all he wants tonight. he's got some serious repair work to do after the 47% comment, because that was a real snapshot as to who he is. plus, his private sector experience has got a checkered past. he's an outsource iceoutsourcer. he's a guy who's gone to the bottom line who hasn't been good to middle class families. he can't put a number on how many jobs he's actually created. but we hear these testimonials more and more all the time because of the hardship the middle class has gone through because of the economic model he presented in the private sector. that is a huge target for the president tonight, and i think he'll exploit it. >> steve schmidt, from a republican perspective, looking at that plus 19 number that president obama has got on handling issue of the mid
just think if president obama had inherited bill clinton's economy, a surplus. that wasn't the case. so i think the president needs to remind america where we were and where we have been and the accomplishments that we've made. as far as mitt romney is concerned, romney can go after president obama all he wants tonight. he's got some serious repair work to do after the 47% comment, because that was a real snapshot as to who he is. plus, his private sector experience has got a checkered past....
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. >> too many americans are struggling to find work in today's economy. too many of those who are working are living paycheck to paycheck, trying to make falling incomes meet rising prices for food and gas. more americans are living in poverty than when president obama took office and 15 million more are on food stamps. president obama and i both care about poor and middle class families. the difference is, my policies will make things better for them. >> unfortunately, romney could not remember any of those lines of that script when he was trying to answer the abc news question about those heavy words. here is how the democratic national committee responded to that romney ad. >> too many americans are struggling to find work in today's economy. >> i like being able to fire people. >> too many of those who are working are living paycheck to paycheck. >> i'm tell you what. 10,000 bucks? >> president obama and i both care about poor and middle class families. >> i'm not concerned about the very poor. >> the difference is my policies will make things better
. >> too many americans are struggling to find work in today's economy. too many of those who are working are living paycheck to paycheck, trying to make falling incomes meet rising prices for food and gas. more americans are living in poverty than when president obama took office and 15 million more are on food stamps. president obama and i both care about poor and middle class families. the difference is, my policies will make things better for them. >> unfortunately, romney could...
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he's upset. [ male announcer ] spend less time at gas stations with best in class fuel economy. it's our most innovative altima ever. ♪ check out the latest collection of snacks from lean cuisine. creamy spinach artichoke dip, crispy garlic chicken spring rolls. they're this season's must-have accessory. ln cuisine. be culinary chic. >>> i couldn't believe the other day when the president's opponents said that the 47% of the american people who don't pay income tax, just want to hang around and be dependent on the government, you know, we just had to ween them off of that because they didn't want to pay income tax. now, a guy with a tax account in the cayman islands is attacking other people for not wanting to -- i mean, you got to give him credit. >> bill clinton, back in new hampshire today, for the president. meanwhile, mitt romney is narrowing president obama's lead in our latest nbc news/"wall street journal" national poll but the battleground states show he has a difficult path to 270. tonight is his biggest chance to change the momentum of the campaign. what is his game
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they're behind on the economy, which was supposed to be president obama's weakness. so i think they're really in trouble in virginia. we've seen a slip on the part of the romney campaign since the convention, so whatever that convention bounces, it turned into a convention slide in virginia. we have a series of polls out now that show the gap widening between obama and romney. i think the romney campaign needs to find an opening, a gap to shoot in virginia on that issue. they need to press that gap. >> it's interesting you say that the spokesperson for the rnc in saz said obviously in 2008 we got our clock cleaned here and got caught flat foolted. we're just casting a real wide net in virginia. what do you make of that statement, professor? >> well, it may be a wide net, but it's not capturing anything. in the latest swing state poll, they're behind on every issue. i mean, the number one issue that the romney campaign was going to press against obama they're behind on, the economy. they're behind on national security. they're behind on dealing with the international
they're behind on the economy, which was supposed to be president obama's weakness. so i think they're really in trouble in virginia. we've seen a slip on the part of the romney campaign since the convention, so whatever that convention bounces, it turned into a convention slide in virginia. we have a series of polls out now that show the gap widening between obama and romney. i think the romney campaign needs to find an opening, a gap to shoot in virginia on that issue. they need to press that...
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call it the economy tax. it's been crushing. at the same time, gasoline prices doubled. electric rates are up, food prices are up. health care costs have gone up by $2500 a family. middle income families are being crushed. the question is how to get them going again. >> governor romney defended his tax plan repeatedly. the romney proposal would give breaks to the wealthy while putting a burden on the middle class. >> i know you and your running mate keep saying that. it's popular, but it's not the case. i have five boys. i'm used to people saying something that's not always true but keep on repeating it hoping i'll believe it. that is not the case. i will not reduce the taxes paid by high income americans. number three, i will not, under any circumstances raise taxes on middle income families. >> for 18 months, he's been running on this tax plan. now, five weeks before the election, he's saying his idea is never mind. the fact is that if you are lowering the rates the way you describe, governor, then it is not possible to come up with enough deductions and loophole that
call it the economy tax. it's been crushing. at the same time, gasoline prices doubled. electric rates are up, food prices are up. health care costs have gone up by $2500 a family. middle income families are being crushed. the question is how to get them going again. >> governor romney defended his tax plan repeatedly. the romney proposal would give breaks to the wealthy while putting a burden on the middle class. >> i know you and your running mate keep saying that. it's popular,...
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the economy needs manufacturing. machines, tools, people making stuff. companies have to invest in making things. infrastructure, construction, production. we need it now more than ever. chevron's putting more than $8 billion dollars back in the u.s. economy this year. in pipes, cement, steel, jobs, energy. we need to get the wheels turning. i'm proud of that. making real things... for real. ...that make a real difference. ♪ now we need a little bit more... a little bit more vanilla? this is great! [ male announcer ] at humana, we believe there's never been a better time to share your passions... because the results... are you having fun doing this? yeah. that's a very nice cake! [ male announcer ] well, you can't beat them. [ giggles ] ohh! you got something huh? whoa... [ male announcer ] humana understands the value of spending time together that's a lot of work getting that one in! let's go see the birdies. [ male announcer ] one on one, sharing what you know. let's do it grandpa. that's why humana agents will sit down with you, to listen and under
the economy needs manufacturing. machines, tools, people making stuff. companies have to invest in making things. infrastructure, construction, production. we need it now more than ever. chevron's putting more than $8 billion dollars back in the u.s. economy this year. in pipes, cement, steel, jobs, energy. we need to get the wheels turning. i'm proud of that. making real things... for real. ...that make a real difference. ♪ now we need a little bit more... a little bit more vanilla? this is...
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>> you know, i think again it's the economy. i think that these are the men, these are largely middle class men. we are not talking about -- i mean, the republicans are always going to win the white wealthy men. the swing voters here are the middle class men and those are the ones that have been hurt the hardest and not ideological. they're the guys that were the reagan democrats. they just a want and this economy has really, really hurt them. i think that they were looking at romney as maybe somebody, you know, that could bring them out of this. i think recent events and mistakes on romney's part hurt him with them, specifically the 47% comment he made in florida a few of the guys in iowa said they were leaning towards romney and shook them up, that he was a guy that was too wealthy and he was never going to have middle class interests. >> louis romano, thank you. >> you're welcome. thank you. >>> violence erupted today as tens of thousands of greeks took to the streets of athens to protest up coming austerity measures there. c
>> you know, i think again it's the economy. i think that these are the men, these are largely middle class men. we are not talking about -- i mean, the republicans are always going to win the white wealthy men. the swing voters here are the middle class men and those are the ones that have been hurt the hardest and not ideological. they're the guys that were the reagan democrats. they just a want and this economy has really, really hurt them. i think that they were looking at romney as...
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including job approval rating, romney favorability, and who wins on the economy. in three states, the president had a job approval rating of 49 or above. romney's unfavorable rating was higher than his favorable rating, and the president led romney on the economy. in three of those stays, iowa, ohio, new hampshire. just one state did you have the president's job approval rating 48% or over and romney winning on the issue of the economy. that's north carolina. if you look at it that way and go to the map to 270, what does that mean, and you put those four states into the respective categories, and look at. this the president for suur sho. romney a long way to go has to sweep the rest. there are five left in the background. florida, virginia, wisconsin, colorado, nevada. this is where if romney does do what chris christie said he will do, the first place you'll see it are in the five states that are left. >> ralph reed, that's a lot of movement that has to take place to overcome where the campaign is. yet you heard chris christie say it this morning on the program,
including job approval rating, romney favorability, and who wins on the economy. in three states, the president had a job approval rating of 49 or above. romney's unfavorable rating was higher than his favorable rating, and the president led romney on the economy. in three of those stays, iowa, ohio, new hampshire. just one state did you have the president's job approval rating 48% or over and romney winning on the issue of the economy. that's north carolina. if you look at it that way and go...
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one of the things right now is that the economy is at a pretty uncertain stage. talk about the jobs numbers, there are really cross currents there and you can read the economy many ways. the opinion polls show that democrats and republicans have a very different perception about whether there's actually growth right now or not. and what we are going to see is a lot of the money targeted to campaigns that are trying to ferry out the weak spots in each other's arguments and target people to play on those fears. >> and the european economy could blow up in ways to have a huge ratification here. >> if in doubt, blame the europeans. >> jillian, well said. nick, great to have you. congressman israel, thank you so much for coming in. good to see all of you. while the debate focused on domestic issues, as we just mentioned, the situation in syria is getting worse. turkey launched a retaliatory launch against syria this morning, the second since a mortar attack yesterday that killed five people in the turkish border town. russia says syrian officials said the shelling was
one of the things right now is that the economy is at a pretty uncertain stage. talk about the jobs numbers, there are really cross currents there and you can read the economy many ways. the opinion polls show that democrats and republicans have a very different perception about whether there's actually growth right now or not. and what we are going to see is a lot of the money targeted to campaigns that are trying to ferry out the weak spots in each other's arguments and target people to play...
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. >> too many americans are struggling to find work in today's economy. >> i like being able to fire people. >> too many of those working are living paycheck to paycheck. >> i'll tell you what, $10,000? >> president obama and i both care about poor and middle class families. >> i'm not concerned about the very poor. >> the difference is my policies will make things better for them. >> my job is not to worry about those 47%. they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. >> i'm mitt romney and a prove this message. >> that again an ad from the d in. c mocking mr. romney's own ad w the president speaking to a crowded kent state university, the democrats strategy is clear, keep that number 47 at the top of the conversation. >> i don't believe we are going to get very far. if we have leaders who write off half the nation as a bunch of victims. who don't take responsibility for their own lives. let me tell you, i have spent a lot of time in ohio. and i don't meet a lot of victims. i see a lot of hard-working ohioans. >> while describing the plan, the president did stum
. >> too many americans are struggling to find work in today's economy. >> i like being able to fire people. >> too many of those working are living paycheck to paycheck. >> i'll tell you what, $10,000? >> president obama and i both care about poor and middle class families. >> i'm not concerned about the very poor. >> the difference is my policies will make things better for them. >> my job is not to worry about those 47%. they should take...
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an economy by monday. this is the place that had taken us to. this is the place that president obama and house democrats tried to take us the from. this is the place that the republican majority has blocked any of president obama's initiatives to do more to help individual families in our country. but how could they possibly even pose the question, are you better off, when the chairman of the fed, that day, four years ago, and one week ago, if we don't act immediately, we will not have an economy! an economy by monday. we certainly are better off, and as a country, and now we have to make sure we elect a democratic house to work with the president, so that we can pass the jobs bill, that we can pass political reform. you can't separate -- walter ruth said you can't separate the bread box and the ballot box. if you want the right politics for working families, you have to get to the polls. drive for 25. >> that about whether or not it is possible for the democrats to take the house is shifting with each con
an economy by monday. this is the place that had taken us to. this is the place that president obama and house democrats tried to take us the from. this is the place that the republican majority has blocked any of president obama's initiatives to do more to help individual families in our country. but how could they possibly even pose the question, are you better off, when the chairman of the fed, that day, four years ago, and one week ago, if we don't act immediately, we will not have an...
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he may not know it, but the economy is still lousy. you don't raise taxes now when the economy is lousy. >> to be continued, as always. governor sununu, thank you for joining us. >> thank you, andrea. >>> how will last night's debate impact the undecided vote here in battleground colorado? that next with democratic congressman -- congresswoman diana degette next on "andrea mitchell reports." of what'sot? check out the latest collection of snacks from lean cuisine. creamy spinach artichoke dip, crispy garlic chicken spring rolls. they're this season's must-have accessory. lean cuisine. be culinary chic. i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i looked at my options. then i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if you're eligible for medicare, you may know it only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. call now and find out about an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance co
he may not know it, but the economy is still lousy. you don't raise taxes now when the economy is lousy. >> to be continued, as always. governor sununu, thank you for joining us. >> thank you, andrea. >>> how will last night's debate impact the undecided vote here in battleground colorado? that next with democratic congressman -- congresswoman diana degette next on "andrea mitchell reports." of what'sot? check out the latest collection of snacks from lean cuisine....
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about what he wants to do on the economy. how we're going to build an economy focused on the middle class, that's what we've done through the campaign. day after day. just trying to explain to people where we've been, where we need to go, how it contrasts with our opponent. he thinks it's a clear choice for the middle class of this country. >> is this race over? >> absolutely not. >> you don't look like a guy who thinks they're going to come back and tie it in ohio? >> 3:00 i wasn't sleeping, because you worry about anything. first all there's benefit about going through this before. ups and downs, we know the news media is anxious to write the romney recovery and comeback story. we understand that first of all we're not going to win battleground states by 10, 12 points, this race is going to tighten. we've built the presidential campaign with the belief it's going to come down to a few votes in a few states, so this race is going to tighten. we've got the edge in a few battleground states and the election is happening right
about what he wants to do on the economy. how we're going to build an economy focused on the middle class, that's what we've done through the campaign. day after day. just trying to explain to people where we've been, where we need to go, how it contrasts with our opponent. he thinks it's a clear choice for the middle class of this country. >> is this race over? >> absolutely not. >> you don't look like a guy who thinks they're going to come back and tie it in ohio? >>...
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i want this job because i can do a better job healing the economy, not the earth, healing the economy than he has done for the last 3 1/2 years. if he can do that, be confident, don't try to be slick or funny, it's not who you are, just be mitt romney, he'll have a good night. >> i think he'll have a good night. i'll tell you this also, mark mckinnon. we're going to hear about the 47% from barack obama tonight. he'll bring that up. i also think mitt romney will bring this up in the debate. something that was spoken yesterday in charlotte, north carolina, by our dear friend joe biden. roll it. >> the romney/ryan tax plan will raise taxes on middle-class families with a child, one or more children, by an additional $2,000 a year. how -- all kidding aside, with all the boos, look, guys, this is deadly earnest, man. this is deadly earnest! how they can justify, how they can justify raising taxes on the middle class that's been buried the last four years, how in lord's name can they justify? >> god bless him. >> mark mckinnon -- i love him. mike, we love him. we love him! has anybody not t
i want this job because i can do a better job healing the economy, not the earth, healing the economy than he has done for the last 3 1/2 years. if he can do that, be confident, don't try to be slick or funny, it's not who you are, just be mitt romney, he'll have a good night. >> i think he'll have a good night. i'll tell you this also, mark mckinnon. we're going to hear about the 47% from barack obama tonight. he'll bring that up. i also think mitt romney will bring this up in the...
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went down again last summer along with the economy. but particularly these last six months, income growth has been strong. if you talk to the political scientists they will tell you that the trend is important as level. people have been feeling they have more money in their pocketbooks than before. >> first of all, a sharp decline which tells you why things were so bad politically for president obama, for everyone else. and then the turn upward is sharp as well. >> yeah. i think we want to put a caveat on all of this, as you said, there's a lot of sluggish economic indicates, unemployment, gdp, so on. again, i think the perception of a lot of people is the trend is what is important, as much as anything, and the trends are pretty good. another one that is important to individuals, house prices. we had a massive slide in house prices going back to well before president obama was put in office. and we had a few upward bump as long the way. but just this year, and this may not look like much here, we've had a very sharp upward bump. the l
went down again last summer along with the economy. but particularly these last six months, income growth has been strong. if you talk to the political scientists they will tell you that the trend is important as level. people have been feeling they have more money in their pocketbooks than before. >> first of all, a sharp decline which tells you why things were so bad politically for president obama, for everyone else. and then the turn upward is sharp as well. >> yeah. i think we...
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if you're unhappy where the economy is, vote out obama. that's the better calculation. we're just finding out that's not enough, but the alternative is worse. >> the alternative is no real alternative because i don't know any republican that toed the far right line in the primaries would have got through the primaries. i looked at some of the positions mitt romney was forced to take. he had to say he would vote no on a 10-1 spending deal. he talked about self-deport addition as an immigration solution. he embraced the paul ryan budget calling it marvelous and medicare vouchers and personhood which is so extreme it failed on the ballot in mississippi, arguably the most pro-life state in the country. one that hurt him in ohio is his embrace of the anti-union ohio sb 5 ballot initiative, which sealed his image early on in ohio. even his call to repeal obama care is not particularly popular. given all that range of positions that he had to take in the primary and add to that being tarred with the brush of people like todd akin, chris co-back, and rush limbaugh and darrell i
if you're unhappy where the economy is, vote out obama. that's the better calculation. we're just finding out that's not enough, but the alternative is worse. >> the alternative is no real alternative because i don't know any republican that toed the far right line in the primaries would have got through the primaries. i looked at some of the positions mitt romney was forced to take. he had to say he would vote no on a 10-1 spending deal. he talked about self-deport addition as an...
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we don't want a stagnant economy that fosters dependency. >> sometimes the point doesn't get made the right way. jonathan, he sure didn't make it the right way. he says about the 47%, let's help them get jobs. so he thinks the 85-year-old widow who does not pay federal income tax needs to get a job. this was a chance for him to reach out, identify that 47%, and show that he knows what they are struggling with, including making their own pay roll taxes that the people with jobs have to pay that are very significant things taken out of their paycheck. no understanding whatsoever of the 47% demonstrated by paul ryan. >> lawrence, no understanding and no empathy. i mean, it's not like the 47% aren't paying taxes at all. there's sales taxes and state taxes and all sorts of other fees and levies that folks in the 47% pay. and the other thing is you mentioned, you know, it's not just the worker who doesn't make enough in order to qualify to pay federal income taxes. but what about the senior citizen who is on social security or medicare? what about the veterans who are coming back from their
we don't want a stagnant economy that fosters dependency. >> sometimes the point doesn't get made the right way. jonathan, he sure didn't make it the right way. he says about the 47%, let's help them get jobs. so he thinks the 85-year-old widow who does not pay federal income tax needs to get a job. this was a chance for him to reach out, identify that 47%, and show that he knows what they are struggling with, including making their own pay roll taxes that the people with jobs have to pay...
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when it comes to the economy. listen to mitt romney's ohio surrogate, governor john kasich. doesn't sound like there's much reason for ohio voters to make a change. >> you know, i hope you all know that ohio's coming back from 48th in job creation to number four, number one in the midwest. from 89 cents and a rainy day fund to $500 million, and we have grown 123,000 jobs in the state of ohio. our families are going back to work. >> governor kasich, you forgot to tell us where you stood on that automobile thing that was kind of big in your state, one in eight jobs are connected to the automobile industry, which, of course, president obama helped out with the automobile loan, which all you republicans can't stand. things are great, so vote for mitt romney, right? i don't think so. today romney launched a new ad campaign. according to the "washington post," greg sargent, this new 60-second television ad, well, it's going to replace all english-language romney ads in nine states. it's another attempt to soften romney'
when it comes to the economy. listen to mitt romney's ohio surrogate, governor john kasich. doesn't sound like there's much reason for ohio voters to make a change. >> you know, i hope you all know that ohio's coming back from 48th in job creation to number four, number one in the midwest. from 89 cents and a rainy day fund to $500 million, and we have grown 123,000 jobs in the state of ohio. our families are going back to work. >> governor kasich, you forgot to tell us where you...
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the masterful performance by bill clinton where he reset the clock on the economy. of course, this 47%. these breaks have been going toward obama, haven't they? i mean, i can't think the last time romney got a break. >> reporter: no, really not since -- you have to go back, i would say, to may or june at the earliest to come up with a time where you feel like romney was controlling the narrative, controlling the tempo of this campaign. and then, you're right, didn't catch a break. it starts with the health care ruling at the end of june that somehow goes obama's way and then it marched through july, he takes a week off. a lot of people question that. then he ends up doing this overseas trip, as you point out. they blew their convention. blew an opportunity there. one thing about romney is he's had more experience going into a big debate behind than any other candidate at this point in time. i mean, he had this a couple of times. he needed a good debate performance to save himself in florida during the primary campaign. needed a good debate performance to save his ca
the masterful performance by bill clinton where he reset the clock on the economy. of course, this 47%. these breaks have been going toward obama, haven't they? i mean, i can't think the last time romney got a break. >> reporter: no, really not since -- you have to go back, i would say, to may or june at the earliest to come up with a time where you feel like romney was controlling the narrative, controlling the tempo of this campaign. and then, you're right, didn't catch a break. it...
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he is -- got a socialistic view on the, you know, the economy, the government, the whole nine yards. um, if he had his way, we would be a socialistic country. okay, really do. pay attention to fox news. >> a volunteer for the clay county republican party in florida made a series of calls on behalf of her preferred candidate. one of those calls got caught on an answering machine and got played on a local radio station and that got into the st. augustine record and got picked up on gawker and now this is part of the romney campaign messaging, too, just like the yacht thing. the leader of the organization said the volunteer was off script while making those remarks. you think? joining me is chris hayes. thank you for being here. i want to ask you about the obama care decision specifically. so romney decided to run as the most anti-obama care guy in the whole world for most of the primaries. starting last month he started to shift and say i'm glad to be known as the grandfather of this. this is one of the ways i want you to know i was a compassionate person because i did romney care in m
he is -- got a socialistic view on the, you know, the economy, the government, the whole nine yards. um, if he had his way, we would be a socialistic country. okay, really do. pay attention to fox news. >> a volunteer for the clay county republican party in florida made a series of calls on behalf of her preferred candidate. one of those calls got caught on an answering machine and got played on a local radio station and that got into the st. augustine record and got picked up on gawker...
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i think now, people have moved back to the economy a little bit. i don't know that people are foe cutting on this as much. >> richard, there's going to be on october 22nd the third debate focused on foreign policy and you can bet the republicans will use this against the president, perhaps we'll have more detailed. how much has he been weakened by the benghazi attack? >> not hugely, to be honest because he struck, as lois said a dignified tone, the president's response was what you expect from the head of state, from national leader. you know, this is a -- clearly an incredibly messy situation, events were messy, libya has no central government that has effective control over its territory. argue that gadhafi didn't either. in a chaotic situation, it's natural that it takes time for the facts to emerge. you're also talking about a number of different splinter groups at work here. and, by the way, remarkable demonstrations that actually were riots in and of themselves pro-american and anti-militia led to the deaths of some of the militia members, as
i think now, people have moved back to the economy a little bit. i don't know that people are foe cutting on this as much. >> richard, there's going to be on october 22nd the third debate focused on foreign policy and you can bet the republicans will use this against the president, perhaps we'll have more detailed. how much has he been weakened by the benghazi attack? >> not hugely, to be honest because he struck, as lois said a dignified tone, the president's response was what you...